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John Benyon1

M, #51, Deceased, b. about May 1851, d. October 1909
Consanguinity2nd great-uncle of A J S
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Parents

FatherThomas Bennion (b. 1812, d. 3 April 1886)
MotherAnn(E) Davies (b. 1819, d. 23 January 1885)

Family: Alice Dryland (b. 1856)

DaughterCecilia Alice Benyon (b. 1878)
SonJohn Lewis Benyon (b. 31 March 1879, d. 19 September 1944)
SonStephen Henry Benyon (b. 22 April 1881, d. 15 November 1940)
SonFrank Benyon (b. about 1894, d. after 1944)
Person ReferencesAnne Jones
George Benyon 1783-1850
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Reference NumberJohn Benyon had reference number 51.
BirthHe was born about May 1851 in Eccleston. He and William (#818) were twins.
ChristeningHe was christened on 6 May 1851 in the local Parish Church of England, Eccleston.2
WitnessHe witnessed the marriage of Samuel Snelson and Mary Benyon on 4 July 1872 in St. Mary the Virgin, Eccleston.3,4
MarriageJohn Benyon married Alice Dryland in 1874.
His daughter Cecilia Alice Benyon was born in 1878.
His son John Lewis Benyon was born on 31 March 1879 in Handbridge, Chester, England.
Group/Caste MembershipJohn Benyon was a plumber in 1881 in Belgrave Place, Chester.
His son Stephen Henry Benyon was born on 22 April 1881.
His mother Ann(E) Davies died on 23 January 1885.
His father Thomas Bennion died on 3 April 1886 in Eccleston, Cheshire, England.
His son Frank Benyon was born about 1894.
DeathJohn Benyon died in October 1909.

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1861John Benyon Id #51 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1861 at Eccleston; Witness Role: son

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Census 1861John Benyon Id #51 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1861 at Eccleston

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Census 1871John Benyon Id #51 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1871 at the village, Eccleston; Witness Role: Son

Original Documents, Source and Citations here5
Census 1871John Benyon Id #51 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1871 at Eccleston

Original Documents, Source and Citations here5

Citations

  1. [S975] U.K. Marriage Witness Index, Source Element: R3-8588
  2. [S43] Eccleston Baptisms, Benyon
  3. [S362] Marriage Certificate of Samuel Snelson & Mary Benyon 1872
  4. [S6039] Marriage certificate of SNELSON, Samuel and BENYON, Mary. Eccleston, Cheshire, England. 4 Jul 1872. Certificate No: MX 250395. General Record Office, Somerset House, London. Hard copy received on 26th November 1970. [Both bride and groom were unmarried, Samuel was living in Tranmere and working as a joiner and his father is recorded as a "candle maker". This is incorrect as he was a cabinet maker. Mary was living in Eccleston, working as a servant and her father Thomas Benyon was a labourer. Witnesses to the wedding were John Benyon and Elizabeth Evans.].
  5. [S5869] Census 1871 Cheshire Thomas Benyon a. 58, Head: Thomas Benyon
    Age: 58
    County: Cheshire

Richard Benyon1

M, #52, Deceased, b. about June 1853, d. 16 February 1865
Consanguinity2nd great-uncle of A J S
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Parents

FatherThomas Bennion (b. 1812, d. 3 April 1886)
MotherAnn(E) Davies (b. 1819, d. 23 January 1885)
Person ReferencesAnne Jones
George Benyon 1783-1850
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Reference NumberRichard Benyon had reference number 52.
BirthHe was born about June 1853 in Eccleston.
ChristeningHe was christened on 26 June 1853 in the local Parish Church of England, Eccleston.2
DeathHe died of a drowning accident on 16 February 1865.
His mother Ann(E) Davies died on 23 January 1885.
BurialHe was buried in February 1885 in the parish church graveyard, Eccleston, St. Mary the Virgin.
His father Thomas Bennion died on 3 April 1886 in Eccleston, Cheshire, England.

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1861Richard Benyon Id #52 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1861 at Eccleston; Witness Role: son

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Census 1861Richard Benyon Id #52 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1861 at Eccleston

Original Documents, Source and Citations here

Citations

  1. [S77] Eccleston Grave ('George Benyon'), R3-892
  2. [S43] Eccleston Baptisms, Benyon

Harold Benyon

M, #53, Deceased, b. November 1881, d. April 1882
Consanguinity1st cousin 2 times removed of A J S
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Parents

FatherStephen Benyon (b. 3 April 1847, d. 13 December 1899)
MotherGrace Roberts (b. 3 August 1846, d. 29 March 1926)
Person ReferencesAnne Jones
George Benyon 1783-1850
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Reference NumberHarold Benyon had reference number 53.
BirthHe was born in November 1881.
DeathHe died in April 1882.
BurialHe was buried in April 1882 in the parish church graveyard, Eccleston, St. Mary the Virgin.
His father Stephen Benyon died on 13 December 1899.
His mother Grace Roberts died on 29 March 1926.

William Thomas Benyon

M, #56, Deceased, b. before 16 September 1871
Consanguinity1st cousin 2 times removed of A J S
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Parents

FatherThomas Benyon (b. about 1846)
MotherMary Coventry

Family: Mary Jane Youd (b. about 1875)

Person ReferencesAnne Jones
George Benyon 1783-1850
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Reference NumberWilliam Thomas Benyon had reference number 56.
BirthHe was born before 16 September 1871 in Hawarden, Flintshire, Wales.
ChristeningHe was christened on 16 September 1873 in Hawarden, Flintshire.
MarriageHe married Mary Jane Youd in 1899.
OccupationIn 1911 William Thomas Benyon was a boilermaker Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Company (L.Y.R.Co.)

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1911William Thomas Benyon Id #56 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1911 at West Horwich Lane, Lancashire

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John Coventry

M, #57, Deceased, b. about 1785, d. before 13 November 1828
Consanguinity3rd great-grandfather of A J S
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Family: Margaret Dodd (b. 1 January 1786)

SonJohn Coventry (b. 16 February 1812)
DaughterMargaret Coventry+ (b. about 1813, d. 12 September 1885)
DaughterElizabeth Coventry+ (b. 23 February 1823)
DaughterAnne Coventry (b. about 1827)
Person ReferencesAncestors Lifespan, Father, Mother, Spouse
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John Coventry c1875 - 1828
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Reference NumberJohn Coventry had reference number 57.
BirthHe was born about 1785.
MarriageHe married Margaret Dodd on 29 March 1810 in St Mary, Chester, by Banns.1
OccupationAbout 1812 John Coventry was a tailor.
His son John Coventry was born on 16 February 1812.
His daughter Margaret Coventry was born about 1813 in Chester, England.
His daughter Elizabeth Coventry was born on 23 February 1823 in Chester, Cheshire, England.
His daughter Anne Coventry was born about 1827.
DeathJohn Coventry died before 13 November 1828 in Chester, England.2
BurialHe was buried on 13 November 1828 in St Oswald, Cheshire.

Citations

  1. [S5955] Diocese of Chester parish registers of marriages c1538-1910 John Coventry marriage Margaret Dodd 1810, Parish: St Mary, Chester
  2. [S191] Chester St. Mary Baptisms, Memo: Annotation: Chester St. Mary Baptisms 1820-1831

    mf 98/2 & 3

    p32 no 249
    23 Jan 1822 Edward son William & Elizabeth Snelson farmer, Handbridge * b. 1 Jan 1822

    p32 no 250
    23 Jan 1822 Betty dau James & Mary Snelson, baker, Castle Street * b. 6 Jun 1821



    p49 no 389
    9 Jan 1823 Margaret dau Richard & Margaret Snelson innkeeper, Bridge Street * b. 2 Dec 1822

    p53 no 417
    14 Mar 1823 Elizabeth dau John & Margret Coventry, tailor, Handbridge * b. 23 Feb 1823

    p81 no 645
    27 Feb 1825 Elizabeth dau William & Elizabeth Snelson, farmer, Handbridge

    p94 no 751
    13 Oct 1825 Mary dau John & Jane Snelson, wheelwright, Potter's Court

    p96 no 767
    10 Nov 1825 Joseph son Richard & Margaret Snelson, innkeeper, Bridge Street

    p125 no 997 1 Jul 1827 Anne dau of John and Margaret Coventry, tailor, Handbridge v

John Coventry

M, #59, Deceased, b. 16 February 1812
Consanguinity3rd great-uncle of A J S
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Parents

FatherJohn Coventry (b. about 1785, d. before 13 November 1828)
MotherMargaret Dodd (b. 1 January 1786)
Person ReferencesJohn Coventry c1875 - 1828
Ralph Dodd bef 1766 -
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Reference NumberJohn Coventry had reference number 59.
BirthHe was born on 16 February 1812.
ChristeningHe was christened on 12 April 1812 in St. Hillary, Wallasey.
His father John Coventry died before 13 November 1828 in Chester, England.
BiographyMy Aunt Molly sleuthed out this history, and it is recorded in her letter to me in 1971.

Mary Coventry

F, #61, Deceased, b. about March 1841
Consanguinity1st cousin 3 times removed of A J S
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Parents

MotherElizabeth Coventry (b. 23 February 1823)
Person ReferencesJohn Coventry c1875 - 1828
Ralph Dodd bef 1766 -
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Reference NumberMary Coventry had reference number 61.
BirthShe was born about March 1841 in Chester.
BaptismShe was baptised on 14 April 1841 in St Mary. Only the mother's name Elizabeth Coventry is given - and the address is "Handbridge".

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1841Mary Coventry Id #61 (Principal) was at home on Census night 6 June 1841 at House of Industry, Holy and Undivided Trinity, Chester; She may have been abandoned or an orphan. The Census in 1841 was taken on 6th June 1841 at The Chester Workhouse and states she was 2 months old, suggesting that she was probably born circa March 1841. It may also be the reason why she appears in 1851 in the home of her aunt Margaret Coventry [11] and husband, Samuel Snelson.

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Census 1851Mary Coventry Id #61 (Principal) was at home on Census night 30 March 1851 at Chester

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Citations

  1. [S71] Census 1851 Cheshire Samuel Snelson a. 37, Memo: Annotation: Census 1851 St. Mary on-the-Hill
    Handbridge

    Samuel Snelson Cabinet Maker/Journeyman 37

    Margaret Snelson Wife 38

    William Snelson son 13

    John Snelson son 8

    Thomas Snelson son 6

    Samuel Snelson son 1

    Mary Coventry Niece 10

    Margaret Snelson Daughter 10


    All born in Chester City

Margaret Dodd

F, #62, Deceased, b. 1 January 1786
Consanguinity3rd great-grandmother of A J S
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Parents

FatherRalph Dodd (b. before 1766, d. about 1841)
MotherElizabeth ? (d. about 1808)

Family: John Coventry (b. about 1785, d. before 13 November 1828)

SonJohn Coventry (b. 16 February 1812)
DaughterMargaret Coventry+ (b. about 1813, d. 12 September 1885)
DaughterElizabeth Coventry+ (b. 23 February 1823)
DaughterAnne Coventry (b. about 1827)
Person ReferencesAncestors Lifespan, Father, Mother, Spouse
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My Family Tree
Ralph Dodd bef 1766 -
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NameMargaret Dodd was also known as Margaret Coventry.
Reference NumberShe had reference number 62.
BirthShe was born on 1 January 1786 in St Oswald, Chester, England.1
Her mother Elizabeth ? died about 1808.
MarriageMargaret Dodd married John Coventry on 29 March 1810 in St Mary, Chester, by Banns.2
Her son John Coventry was born on 16 February 1812.
Her daughter Margaret Coventry was born about 1813 in Chester, England.
Her daughter Elizabeth Coventry was born on 23 February 1823 in Chester, Cheshire, England.
Her daughter Anne Coventry was born about 1827.
Her husband John Coventry died before 13 November 1828 in Chester, England.
BurialMargaret Dodd was buried on 2 July 1830 in St Oswald's, Chester.
Her father Ralph Dodd died about 1841.

Citations

  1. [S5956] Chester Baptisms Margaret Dodd 1786, Parish: St Oswald, Chester
  2. [S5955] Diocese of Chester parish registers of marriages c1538-1910 John Coventry marriage Margaret Dodd 1810, Parish: St Mary, Chester

Johannes ("John English") English

M, #63, Deceased, b. about April 1850, d. 1926
ConsanguinityGreat-grandfather of A J S
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Parents

FatherJohannes English (b. about 1815, d. 17 August 1867)
MotherBrigida Troy (b. about 1823, d. 25 September 1871)

Family: Brigida ("Bridget Power") Power (b. 1852, d. about May 1905)

DaughterMaria Brigida English (b. 25 November 1871, d. about December 1953)
DaughterFrances English+ (b. 30 January 1875, d. 15 January 1959)
DaughterElizabeth English (b. 11 March 1877)
SonJohn Edward English+ (b. 3 August 1879, d. December 1944)
DaughterDora English+ (b. 7 October 1882, d. 21 December 1958)
DaughterJenny ("Jennie") English+ (b. 19 October 1888)
Person ReferencesAncestors Lifespan, Father, Mother, Spouse
Brigid Troy bef 1830
Ellena O'Brien 1827 -
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Johannes English 1815 - 1867
List of Ancestors
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NameJohannes ("John English") English was also known as John English.
Reference NumberHe had reference number 63.
BirthHe was born about April 1850 in Waterford, Ireland. He reports that he was 50 years old in 1901 Census.
BaptismHe was baptised on 23 April 1850 in Dungarvan, Waterford, Ireland. He was baptised on 23 April 1850 in Dungarvan, Waterford, Ireland. Parents were Joannes English & Brigid Troy. Witnesses looks like Patritius Connolly and Honora Dalton. Link.
His father Johannes English died on 17 August 1867 in Dungarvan, Waterford, Ireland.
MarriageJohannes ("John English") English married Brigida ("Bridget Power") Power on 29 January 1871 at Waterford & Lismore Parish, Dungarvan, Waterford, Ireland, in St. Mary's, Dungarvan, Waterford, Ireland, Wedding took place in a Roman Catholic Chapel and RC Parish - I see from the register that the witnesses were Michael English and Jane Power (there is another name, maybe Lucella I cannot decipher the christian name, might also be Lucilla, Linda or Loretta), but she will possibly be a bridesmaid.

There is the mention of "Strand Street" ... maybe that is where Johannes lived, I don't know ... buy Angela advises that:-

"John is stated as living at Strand st, Dungarvan which is just around the corner from St Mary's. John's brother (My gggrandfather) Patrick lived on O'Connell st , Dungarvan. Michael lived in Dungarvan for a while but then settled in Waterford City. Nearly all his children moved to England at various stages. ". The best man was Michael English.1
His mother Brigida Troy died on 25 September 1871.
His daughter Maria Brigida English was born on 25 November 1871 in Dungarvan, Waterford & Lismore, Ireland.
His daughter Frances English was born on 30 January 1875 in 22 Barmouth Street, St. Martin, Liverpool, England.
OccupationAbout 1876 Johannes ("John English") English was a ship's cook, baker in the Merchant Navy and at sea.
His daughter Elizabeth English was born on 11 March 1877 in Liverpool, England.
OccupationIn 1878 Johannes ("John English") English was a Ship's Baker in SS 'Wisconsin', Guion Line, The Liverpool and Great Western Steamship Company, known commonly as the Guion Line, was a British passenger service that operated the Liverpool-Queenstown-New York route from 1866 to 1894.[1] While incorporated in Great Britain, 52% of the company's capital was from the American firm, Williams and Guion of New York. His last ship was the "Montana" out of Liverpool.
His son John Edward English was born on 3 August 1879 in Walton, Liverpool, England.
His daughter Dora English was born on 7 October 1882.
His daughter Jenny ("Jennie") English was born on 19 October 1888 in Walton, Liverpool.
Note. The SS "Lake Ontario", a passenger steamer, was built in 1887 in Sunderland by James Laing & Co, 4502 tons, dedicated mainly to the Liverpool-Montreal run.

The Lake Ontario was built to the order of the Canada Shipping Company, Ltd., the owners of the Beaver Line. She differed from the earlier vessels of this company in that she was constructed of steel and was built away from Clydeside. Her principal dimensions were :-392 ft. length overall 43 ft. 4 in. beam ; 32 ft. 8� in. depth ; 4,520 tons gross about 8,300 tons displacement ; length, between perpendiculars, 374 ft. 5 in. breadth, extreme, 43 ft. 6 in. ; depth moulded, 32.7 ft. She had water ballast. Her triple-expansion engines were constructed by Messrs. George Clark, of Sunderland, and had cylinder dimensions of 31 in., 51 in., and 83 in., with a stroke of 54 in., her boilers working at a pressure of 150 lb. per square inch. The Lake Ontario had the traditional Beaver Line clipper stem, and in view of the possibility of the vessel sailing among floating ice, the plating of the bows was doubled and strengthened with extra keelsons and stringers.

The crew was employed on the journey from Liverpool to Quebec and Montreal and if required any other ports between 72 degrees north and 65 degrees south, trading to and from as may be required until the ship returned to a final port of discharge in the United Kingdom for any period not exceeding 6 months.

John English as the ship's Baker was paid 7 pounds a month, able bodied seaman 4 pounds, chief engineer 20 pounds, 1st Officer 12 pounds, steward 3 pounds but a stewaress only 2 pounds 10 shillings.

On this jouney, the First Officer was Richard Owen born in Amlwch in Anglesey and the Captain was Captain H Campbell.

OccupationOn 23 September 1890 Johannes ("John English") English was a Ship's Baker deserted the vessel "Lake Ontario" maybe in Montreal.
His wife Brigida ("Bridget Power") Power died about May 1905 in Liverpool, England.
DeathHe died in 1926 in Liverpool, England, at age 75y.
TravelHe travelled in 1926 from to.
ResidenceIn April 1926 Johannes ("John English") English lived at 42 Belmont Road in Liverpool.
BurialHe was buried on 9 April 1926 at Public Grave SV 229 in Ford Cemetery, Liverpool, Lancashire, England.

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1881Johannes ("John English") English Id #63 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1881 at Everton, Liverpool; His wife Brigida is shown as a ship baker's wife with a notation "husband at sea".

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Census 1901Johannes ("John English") English Id #63 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1901 at 24 Vienna Street, Everton, Liverpool; He was a ship's baker and listed at home on Census night 1901.
Principal Role
Witness Role: Head of Household

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Census 1921Johannes ("John English") English Id #63 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1921 at West Derby Union Infirmary; I think I found him here, noted as an "Out of Work" seaman, Code 735/8 =


Persons employed in transport & communication - water transport workers • Petty officers, seamen & deck hands

Remaining a mystery is the notation "C P R" written by the recorder - what does that mean unless it is a medical term.

Original Documents, Source and Citations here

Citations

  1. [S5940] Irish Catholic Registers 1655-1915

Frances English

F, #64, Deceased, b. 30 January 1875, d. 15 January 1959
ConsanguinityGrandmother of A J S
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Frances English circa 1937

Parents

FatherJohannes ("John English") English (b. about April 1850, d. 1926)
MotherBrigida ("Bridget Power") Power (b. 1852, d. about May 1905)

Family: Alfred Herbert Roby (b. 23 February 1873, d. 23 May 1955)

SonAlfred Roby (b. 25 August 1906, d. 17 February 1984)
DaughterIrene Nettacress Roby+ (b. 5 January 1913, d. January 1984)
Person ReferencesAncestors Lifespan, Father, Mother, Spouse
Brigid Troy bef 1830
Ellena O'Brien 1827 -
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Johannes English 1815 - 1867
List of Ancestors
My Family Tree
Thomas Power
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NameFrances English was also known as Frances Roby.
Reference NumberShe had reference number 64.
BirthShe was born on 30 January 1875 in 22 Barmouth Street, St. Martin, Liverpool, England. There is no doubt that Frances is the daughter of Joannes English and Brigida Power - I say this because Frances' parents were Roman Catholics and consequently quite difficult to trace back through the records. I knew her well and never knew she had been brought up in the RC church. I note that Frances was born in England and her younger sister Maria Brigida English was born in Ireland.

Their father was often away at sea, being a ship's baker. His ships often visited Liverpool. It is not clear to ne exactly when John and Brigid settled in Liverpool, but given the birth dates of these two children, it must have been 1872, 1873 or 1874.
BaptismShe was baptised on 9 February 1875 in St. Albans RC Church, Liverpool. I note that she is referred to as "Francesca English".
ConfirmationShe was confirmed on 9 December 1886 in Our Lady of Immaculate Conception.
OccupationIn 1901 Frances English was a book binder in Liverpool.
ResidenceIn 1905 Frances English lived in 74 Butler St, West Derby.
MarriageShe married Alfred Herbert Roby on 4 February 1905 in The Registry Office, West Derby, (Reference :- REG_WD/216/132)

Reference 8b 727 Liverpool.

I wonder whether the marriege took place in the Registry Office because Alfred was a Protestant and Frances a Roman Catholic. I have no knowledge of the reason ... but I note that young Alfred was born 18 months later, so we can rule that one out.
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Her mother Brigida ("Bridget Power") Power died about May 1905 in Liverpool, England.
Her son Alfred Roby was born on 25 August 1906.
Her daughter Irene Nettacress Roby was born on 5 January 1913 in Fairfield, Liverpool, England.
Her father Johannes ("John English") English died in 1926 in Liverpool, England.
ResidenceFrom 1955 to 1959 Frances English lived at 112 Bowring Park Avenue in Liverpool 16.
Her husband Alfred Herbert Roby died on 23 May 1955 in 18 Elm Vale, Fairfield, Liverpool, England.
BiographyI have the original funeral documentation supplied by the undertakers, Thompsons ( Rimmers ) Ltd, 299 Kensington, Liverpool 7.
DeathShe died of Bronchial Pneumonia on 15 January 1959 at 112 Bowring Park Avenue in Bowring Park, Liverpool, England.
CremationShe was cremated on 19 January 1959 in Anfield, Liverpool.

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1881Frances English Id #64 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1881 at 3 Crouch Street, St. Domingo Close, Everton; Witness Role: Daughter

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Census 1881Frances English Id #64 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1881 at Everton, Liverpool; His wife Brigida is shown as a ship baker's wife with a notation "husband at sea".

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Census 1901Frances English Id #64 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1901 at 34 Rose Place, Everton; In the 1901 Census, she is listed as "Fannie English", a 26 year old book binder, and a visitor in the home of the Harvey family, along with other servants and visitors including Mary Power, unmarried aged 56, recorded as working presumable in this home, as a servent and housekeeper. She may be a sister of Brigida Power (c.1852-1905), and born in Ireland - or more likely, Mary Power [23581], daughter of Thomas Power and Ellena O'Brien.

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1911Frances English Id #64 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1911 at Fairfield, Liverpool

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Census 1921Frances English Id #64 (Principal) was at home on Census night 19 June 1921 at Liverpool

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Census Frances English Id #64 (Principal) was at home on Census night from 1935 to 1936 at Fairfield, Liverpool; Interestingly, Harold Snelson was living a few hundred yards or so away from the Roby family, in 5 Elstree Street from Irene Roby at 18 Elm Vale. We know they both went to St Johns Church and played badminton together. So, almost boy and girl next door.
Witness Role: resident

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John Roby

M, #65, Deceased, b. about January 1836, d. 19 February 1895
ConsanguinityGreat-grandfather of A J S
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Parents

FatherWilliam Roby (b. 1 May 1809, d. 8 October 1849)
MotherAnn Foster (b. about 1814, d. about 1 March 1891)

Family: Ellen Edwardson (b. 6 June 1836, d. 28 January 1908)

DaughterEvelyn Beatrice Roby (b. 1846)
DaughterMary Ellen Roby (b. 1861)
SonJohn J Thomas Roby (b. 25 December 1864, d. 10 February 1875)
DaughterAnn "Annie" Roby+ (b. 2 May 1866, d. about 1 June 1944)
SonWilliam Roby (b. 20 September 1868, d. 2 April 1911)
SonFred Forster Roby (b. 20 October 1870, d. 19 February 1895)
SonAlfred Herbert Roby+ (b. 23 February 1873, d. 23 May 1955)
DaughterAlice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby+ (b. 23 February 1873, d. 20 April 1951)
SonAlbert Ernest Roby+ (b. 14 August 1875, d. 8 May 1962)
Person ReferencesAncestors Lifespan, Father, Mother, Spouse
Ann Foster c1816 - 1891
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List of Ancestors
My Family Tree
Roger Roby
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Reference NumberJohn Roby had reference number 65.
BirthHe was born about January 1836 in Prescot, England.
ChristeningHe was christened on 31 January 1836 in St Mary the Virgin, Prescot.
His daughter Evelyn Beatrice Roby was born in 1846 in Bersham, Denbighshire (or Birkenhead).
His father William Roby died on 8 October 1849 in Prescot, England.
OccupationIn 1851 John Roby was a watch pinion maker.
OccupationIn 1861 John Roby was a watch pinion maker - incidentally, at this time he was living with his mother Ann and her second husband, John Abbott, a watch balance maker in Prescott at age 25y.
His daughter Mary Ellen Roby was born in 1861 in Prescot, Lancashire, England.
MarriageHe married Ellen Edwardson about August 1863 in Prescot Ref 8b 559 : This reference is incorrect as it leads to the marriage of an Ellen Edwardson in 1855, but not to John Roby. I am not sure where this old reference comes from.

I have not been able to find any evidence of a marriage between this John Roby and Ellen Edwardson.

The evidence is that the birth documentstion and baptisms of their children say that the child's parents are John & Ellen Roby and that the mother's maiden name is Edwardson.
His son John J Thomas Roby was born on 25 December 1864 in Sutton, Lancashire, England.
His daughter Ann "Annie" Roby was born on 2 May 1866 in Prescot, England.
His son William Roby was born on 20 September 1868 in Prescot, Lancashire, England.
His son Fred Forster Roby was born on 20 October 1870 in Prescot, England.
OccupationAbout 1871 John Roby was a Master Watchmaker according to Alfred Herbert Roby's birth certificate Here is a picture of a watch made in Prescot - a more recent watch I think. I am indebted to Geoff Willis - this watch was built by his great grandfather Frank Willis [23537] - his father too was a watchmaker, that's great-great grandfather Thomas Wiilis [23538].
ResidenceIn 1873 John Roby lived in Knowsley, Lancashire.
His daughter Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby was born on 23 February 1873 in Carr Lane, Knowsley.
His son Alfred Herbert Roby was born on 23 February 1873 in Carr Lane, Knowsley, Liverpool, England.
His son John J Thomas Roby died on 10 February 1875.
His son Albert Ernest Roby was born on 14 August 1875 in Prescot.
OccupationIn 1881 John Roby was a watch pinion maker at 2 East View in Prescot.
His mother Ann Foster died about 1 March 1891.
OccupationOn 5 April 1891 John Roby was a watch pinion maker in West Derby, Liverpool.1
BiographyUndertakers W&D Busby Ltd of 66 Anne St Liverpool carried out the necessary business regarding the burial of John Roby. I have their original invoice.

In the 1851 Census, at the age of 17 years, John is listed as an Omnibus Guard.

John Roby was recorded as having been a watch maker (deceased) on his son Alfred Herbert Roby's marriage certificate.
DeathHe died of cerebral softening and exhaustion on 19 February 1895 in 72 Leopold Road, Liverpool, England, at age 61y.2
His son Fred Forster Roby died on 19 February 1895 in 72 Leopold Road, Liverpool, England.
BurialJohn Roby was buried on 22 February 1895 in Grave 407 S7, West Derby Cemetery, in Liverpool, The entry in the cemetery records says that he was a 61 year old watchmaker.3
His wife Ellen Edwardson died on 28 January 1908 in 42 West Derby Street, Liverpool, England.

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1841John Roby Id #65 (Principal) was at home on Census night 6 June 1841 at Parrs Square, Prescot, Lancashire; On this Census return, William is said to be 30 years old - however, in 1841 you could declare your age to the nearest 5 years, so that would mean 1811 as a birth year - within 5 years, which would point to a birth year between 1806 and 1816. As for Ellen Roby aged 60 - who can she be ?

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1851John Roby Id #65 (Principal) was at home on Census night 30 March 1851 at Parr's Square, Prescot; Ann is a widow in 1851 and shown as a laundry woman

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1861John Roby Id #65 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1861 at Fazackerly Street, Prescot; John and his brother William were living with their mother Ann [Foster] aged 47, and their step father John Abbott

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1871John Roby Id #65 (Principal) was at home on Census night 2 April 1871 at Dogkennel House, Prescot; Principal Role
Witness Role: Head of Household

Original Documents, Source and Citations here4
Census 1881John Roby Id #65 (Principal) was at home on Census night 3 April 1881 at Prescot, Lancashire

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1891John Roby Id #65 (Principal) was at home on Census night 5 April 1891 at Liverpool

Original Documents, Source and Citations here1

Citations

  1. [S5993] Census 1891 West Derby, Liverpool RG12
  2. [S462] Death Certificate of John Roby ( 1805 ), Source Element: R3-2894
  3. [S2] Letter from Liverpool Record Office dated 28 July 1989 Interment Orders
  4. [S5973] Census 1871 Lancashire John Roby a 35

Ellen Edwardson1

F, #66, Deceased, b. 6 June 1836, d. 28 January 1908
ConsanguinityGreat-grandmother of A J S
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Parents

FatherThomas Edwardson (b. 3 August 1810, d. 27 April 1882)
MotherAnn Critchley (b. 14 November 1811, d. January 1897)

Family: John Roby (b. about January 1836, d. 19 February 1895)

DaughterEvelyn Beatrice Roby (b. 1846)
DaughterMary Ellen Roby (b. 1861)
SonJohn J Thomas Roby (b. 25 December 1864, d. 10 February 1875)
DaughterAnn "Annie" Roby+ (b. 2 May 1866, d. about 1 June 1944)
SonWilliam Roby (b. 20 September 1868, d. 2 April 1911)
SonFred Forster Roby (b. 20 October 1870, d. 19 February 1895)
SonAlfred Herbert Roby+ (b. 23 February 1873, d. 23 May 1955)
DaughterAlice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby+ (b. 23 February 1873, d. 20 April 1951)
SonAlbert Ernest Roby+ (b. 14 August 1875, d. 8 May 1962)
Person ReferencesAlice Lawton c1750 -
Ancestors Lifespan, Father, Mother, Spouse
Ellen Burtch
Ellen Woods c 1755 -
Family Tree Blood Line
George Critchley c1716 - 1756
Hannah Clitheroe c 1782 -
List of Ancestors
Margaret Wellesley c1750 -
My Family Tree
Thomas Mollyneux
William Edwardson c1657 - c1692
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NameEllen Edwardson was also known as Ellen Roby.
Reference NumberShe had reference number 66.
BirthShe was born on 6 June 1836 in Prescot, England.2
BaptismShe was baptised on 30 June 1836 in Ebenezer Chapel, New Road, Prescot. This is an Independent Church. The records read


First name(s) • Ellen
Father's first name(s) • Thomas
Last name • Edwardson
Father's last name • Edwardson
Sex • Female
Mother's first name(s) • Ann
Birth year • 1836
Mother's last name • Critchley
Baptism year • 1836
Record set • England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Baptism date • 30 Jun 1836
Category • Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Place • Prescot
Subcategory • Parish Baptisms
County • Lancashire
Collections from • England, Great Britain.
Her daughter Evelyn Beatrice Roby was born in 1846 in Bersham, Denbighshire (or Birkenhead).
ResidenceIn 1851 Ellen Edwardson lived in New Road, Prescott.3
OccupationIn 1861 Ellen Edwardson was a house servant (and was married) at Dragon Turnpike Road, Whiston, in Prescot, Lancashire, England, Ellen is described on the night of the 1861 Census, as a married woman aged 24, occupation "house servant" in the home of Richard Dolke, watchmaker, and his wife Elizabeth Dolke. I believe at this time, she would be very pregnat with Mary Ellen Roby arriving before 30th June 1861. Notably, husband John Roby is still at the home of his mother Ann who has remarried, brother William Roby, half brother William Alfred Abbott - and step father John Abbott.

Interestingly, the record says that John Roby is "unmarried" - whereas across town, Ellen who is very pregnant calls herself Ellen Roby and it is recorded as "married".

I am beginning to wonder whether they were ever married.
Her daughter Mary Ellen Roby was born in 1861 in Prescot, Lancashire, England.
MarriageEllen Edwardson married John Roby about August 1863 in Prescot Ref 8b 559 : This reference is incorrect as it leads to the marriage of an Ellen Edwardson in 1855, but not to John Roby. I am not sure where this old reference comes from.

I have not been able to find any evidence of a marriage between this John Roby and Ellen Edwardson.

The evidence is that the birth documentstion and baptisms of their children say that the child's parents are John & Ellen Roby and that the mother's maiden name is Edwardson.
Her son John J Thomas Roby was born on 25 December 1864 in Sutton, Lancashire, England.
Her daughter Ann "Annie" Roby was born on 2 May 1866 in Prescot, England.
Her son William Roby was born on 20 September 1868 in Prescot, Lancashire, England.
Her son Fred Forster Roby was born on 20 October 1870 in Prescot, England.
Her son Alfred Herbert Roby was born on 23 February 1873 in Carr Lane, Knowsley, Liverpool, England.
Her daughter Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby was born on 23 February 1873 in Carr Lane, Knowsley.
Her son John J Thomas Roby died on 10 February 1875.
Her son Albert Ernest Roby was born on 14 August 1875 in Prescot.
Her father Thomas Edwardson died on 27 April 1882 in Prescot.
Her son Fred Forster Roby died on 19 February 1895 in 72 Leopold Road, Liverpool, England.
Her husband John Roby died on 19 February 1895 in 72 Leopold Road, Liverpool, England.
Her mother Ann Critchley died in January 1897 in England.
ResidenceBefore 1908 Ellen Edwardson lived in 42 West Derby Street, Liverpool.4
DeathShe died on 28 January 1908 in 42 West Derby Street, Liverpool, England.5
BurialShe was buried on 1 February 1908 at Section 7 Grave 407 in West Derby Cemetery, Liverpool, Lancashire, aged 72.6

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1841Ellen Edwardson Id #66 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1841 at New Road, Prescot

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1851Ellen Edwardson Id #66 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1851 at New Road, Prescot; Principal Role
Witness Role: Head of Household

Principal Role

Original Documents, Source and Citations here7
Census 1871Ellen Edwardson Id #66 (Principal) was at home on Census night 2 April 1871 at Dogkennel House, Prescot; Principal Role
Witness Role: Head of Household

Original Documents, Source and Citations here8
Census 1881Ellen Edwardson Id #66 (Principal) was at home on Census night 3 April 1881 at Prescot, Lancashire

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1891Ellen Edwardson Id #66 (Principal) was at home on Census night 5 April 1891 at Liverpool

Original Documents, Source and Citations here9
Census 1901Ellen Edwardson Id #66 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1901 at Liverpool

Original Documents, Source and Citations here

Citations

  1. [S464] Birth Certificate of Alfred Herbert Roby ( 1873 ), Source Element: R3-2897
  2. [S5538] David Pitt's Tree
  3. [S5537] Census 1851 Prescott
  4. [S480] Burial Authority for Ellen Roby ( Nee Edwardson ) 1908, Source Element: R3-2953
  5. [S607] Death Certificate of Ellen Roby 1908, Source Element: R3-5355
  6. [S2] Letter from Liverpool Record Office dated 28 July 1989 Interment Orders
  7. [S5630] Census 1851 Lancashire Thomas Edwardson a.40, Census Type: Film
    Census Place: Prescot
  8. [S5973] Census 1871 Lancashire John Roby a 35
  9. [S5993] Census 1891 West Derby, Liverpool RG12

Alfred Herbert Roby1

M, #67, Deceased, b. 23 February 1873, d. 23 May 1955
ConsanguinityGrandfather of A J S
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Alfred Herbert Roby in 1939

Parents

FatherJohn Roby (b. about January 1836, d. 19 February 1895)
MotherEllen Edwardson (b. 6 June 1836, d. 28 January 1908)

Family: Frances English (b. 30 January 1875, d. 15 January 1959)

SonAlfred Roby (b. 25 August 1906, d. 17 February 1984)
DaughterIrene Nettacress Roby+ (b. 5 January 1913, d. January 1984)
Person ReferencesAlice Lawton c1750 -
Ancestors Lifespan, Father, Mother, Spouse
Ann Foster c1816 - 1891
Ellen Burtch
Ellen Woods c 1755 -
Ellena O'Brien 1827 -
Family Tree Blood Line
George Critchley c1716 - 1756
Hannah Clitheroe c 1782 -
Johannes English 1815 - 1867
List of Ancestors
Margaret Wellesley c1750 -
My Family Tree
Roger Roby
Thomas Mollyneux
William Edwardson c1657 - c1692
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Reference NumberAlfred Herbert Roby had reference number 67.
BirthHe was born on 23 February 1873 in Carr Lane, Knowsley, Liverpool, England. He was a twin - his sister Alice Jane Roby was his twin sister.2
ChristeningHe was christened on 16 April 1873 in St. Mary's, Prescot.
OccupationIn 1891 Alfred Herbert Roby was a pawn broker's apprentice in 81 Old Chester Road, Birkenhead.
His father John Roby died on 19 February 1895 in 72 Leopold Road, Liverpool, England.
OccupationIn 1901 Alfred Herbert Roby was a bamboo worker in 281 Upper Parliament Street, West Derby, Liverpool.
ResidenceIn 1905 Alfred Herbert Roby lived in 125 Needham Rd, West Derby.
OccupationIn February 1905 Alfred Herbert Roby was a "collector" according to the marriage certificate.
MarriageHe married Frances English on 4 February 1905 in The Registry Office, West Derby, (Reference :- REG_WD/216/132)

Reference 8b 727 Liverpool.

I wonder whether the marriege took place in the Registry Office because Alfred was a Protestant and Frances a Roman Catholic. I have no knowledge of the reason ... but I note that young Alfred was born 18 months later, so we can rule that one out.
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MiscHe on 4 February 1905 - I have his Baptism certificate. I also have a copy of their marriage certificate on which Alfred Herbert Roby aged 31 is described as a Collector. They were married at the West Derby Registry Office.

In 1938, he was living at 18 Elm Vale - I know this house well. I have been there many times. It's on a corner. There is a back alley. Dark staircase, cold stone scully. Front parlour were my grand dad lay dead in his coffin in 1955. I was 10 years old, my Mum took me in there and said "Here's your grandfather, isn't he beautiful". I said "No, he's dead".

Earlier, in 1938 he is described as "a weighman".

As a reference on leaving military service, the Certificate reads "This soldier has done exceptionally good work as a stretcher bearer in the line : unfailing in his duty, he has borne hardships and fatigues that would have done credit to a much younger man. Honest, sober, trustworthy, industrious, clean, intelligent."

Title
Pte Alfred Herbert Roby (medals; letter; certificate)
Who?
Private Alfred Herbert Roby, 266253, Somerset Light Infantry.
Item(s)
Military Medal, British War and Victory Medals, letter from C.O. regarding the award of the Military Medal, and Certificate of Employment During the War.
Story
Alfred Herbert Roby, born in February 1873 in Knowsley, Lancashire, served with the 11th Battalion of the Somerset Light Infantry late on in the First World War from May 1918 until March 1919.

Having originally enlisted in September, 1915, he was primarily employed as a stretcher bearer with the 11th Somerset Light Infantry and was awarded the Military Medal in March 1919 for his service in this role.
When?
May - November 1918
Where?
The Somme region of France, including the Battle of Albert in August 1918.
Contributor
Denis Roby
Collection Day
Stourport-on-Severn Library, 10th November, 2018.
Item sets
Stourport Library, Stourport-on-Severn (10/11/2018)
LWF.
His son Alfred Roby was born on 25 August 1906.
OccupationOn 24 October 1906 Alfred Herbert Roby was an Insurance Agent.
His mother Ellen Edwardson died on 28 January 1908 in 42 West Derby Street, Liverpool, England.
OccupationAbout 1913 Alfred Herbert Roby was a grain checker.
His daughter Irene Nettacress Roby was born on 5 January 1913 in Fairfield, Liverpool, England.
Milit-BegService in the Military commenced in 1914 as a Private in the Somerset Light Infantry (Reg # 266523). I think this may be linked to the Kings Regiment, Liverpool ("

Corps, Regiment or Unit • K. L''pool., Som. L. I
".)
AwardAlfred Herbert received an Award between 1914 and 1918. I'd like to thank my cousin Denis Roby who originally sourced and wrote about our grand-father's medals and war history.

British War Medal and Victory Medal, Private in the 11th, Somerset Light Infantry.

Alfred H
Last name Roby
Service number 266253
Rank Private
Corps Somerset Light Infantry
Service record Soldier Number: 266253, Rank: Private, Corps: Somerset Light Infantry
Archive reference WO372/17
Archive reference description Campaign Medal Index Cards and Silver War Badge Cards
Country Great Britain
Image link http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D4920540
Record set World War One British Army medal index cards
Category Armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from United Kingdom.3
MiscHe on 21 August 1918 The Battle of Albert (21�23 August 1918) was the third battle by that name fought during World War I , following the First Battle of Albert and the Second Battle of Albert , with each of the series of three being fought roughly two years apart. [1] This smaller third battle was significant in that it was the opening push that would lead to the Second Battle of the Somme and involved the Australian Corps . This attack opened the advance; the main thrust was launched by the Third Army along with support from the Fourth Army . [2] The Second Battle of Bapaume , from 25 August to 3 September, was a continuation of this battle. [3]
The attacks developed into an advance, which pushed the German 2nd Army back along a 50-mile (80 km) front line . On 22 August, the 18th (Eastern) Division took Albert, with the British and Americans advancing on Arras . [2] The following day, the Australian 1st Division , which was advancing north-east from Proyart, attacked German fortifications around Chuignes , and succeeded in capturing the town .
On 29 August, during the Second Battle of Bapaume, the town of Bapaume fell into New Zealand hands. This resulted in an advance by the Australian Corps , who crossed the Somme River on 31 August and broke the German lines during the Battle of Mont St. Quentin . [2] The Westheer (German armies on the Western Front) was pushed back to the Hindenburg Line , from which they had launched their spring offensive. [ Link citation needed ].
Milit-EndService in the Military ended on 23 March 1919 Private Roby - #266523 - Disembodiment - discharged from The Somerset Regiment L 9.

In the military sense disembodiment usually means separation of the body of troops as in disbanding rather than the philosophical sense of separation of
the soul from the body.

During wars, regiments of the British Army generally raise extra battalions above the usual one or two in peacetime. The battalion is the fighting unit of infantry, commanded by a Lieutenant Colonel and consisting of 600 or more men. In WW1 many regiments had 10 or more battalions. It is easy to understand that a good deal of time was needed to reduce the army to peacetime strength.

The four options mean something like this

Discharge - Discharge of the individual soldier.
Transfer to the Reserve - This speaks for itself.
Disembodiment - Separation of the man from the battalion
Demobilisation - Removal of the battalion from the active list and disbanding.

However, I note that he was discharged on medical grounds, with a rupture retaine by a truss and a condition described as "chrondroma rib", 20%.4
OccupationIn 1921 Alfred Herbert Roby was a Grain Porter at Liverpool Grain & Transit Company in Coburg Dock, Liverpool, at age 48y.
OccupationOn 29 September 1939 Alfred Herbert Roby was a grain porter at 112 Bowring Park Avenue in Huyton-with-Roby, Liverpool 16.5
DeathHe died on 23 May 1955 in 18 Elm Vale, Fairfield, Liverpool, England.6
BurialHe was buried on 26 May 1955 at Grave 407 S7 in West Derby Cemetery, in Liverpool.7
His wife Frances English died on 15 January 1959 in Bowring Park, Liverpool, England.

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1881Alfred Herbert Roby Id #67 (Principal) was at home on Census night 3 April 1881 at Prescot, Lancashire

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1891Alfred Herbert Roby Id #67 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1891 at 81 Old Chester Road, Tranmere, Birkenhead, Cheshire; Mary Bentley is a 52 year old lady running a pawn broking buisiness. Alfred is descibed as a pawnboker's apprentice aged 18 presumable living there - as this is "over the water" from Liverpool and that would mean a ferry trip every day.
Principal Role
Witness Role: Member of Household

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1901Alfred Herbert Roby Id #67 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1901 at Liverpool

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1911Alfred Herbert Roby Id #67 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1911 at Fairfield, Liverpool

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1921Alfred Herbert Roby Id #67 (Principal) was at home on Census night 19 June 1921 at Liverpool

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1939Alfred Herbert Roby Id #67 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1939 at Fairfield, Liverpool; Interestingly, Harold Snelson was living a few hundred yards or so away from the Roby family, in 5 Elstree Street from Irene Roby at 18 Elm Vale. We know they both went to St Johns Church and played badminton together. So, almost boy and girl next door.

I remember this house well. I believe it is still standing. It was at the end of a terrace. the kitchen and laundry were at the back of the house, cold and dark. There was a narrow staircase and a pair of horns mounted above. When grand dad was olde, he found it very difficult to walk, and his bed was downstairs in the front parlour.

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1939Alfred Herbert Roby Id #67 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1939 at Huyton With Roby, Liverpool 16; Source 5994 Census 1939 Huyton With Roby, Liverpool 16 RG101 (RG101/4791C/009/27 Letter Code: NVGO), (RG101).

Original Documents, Source and Citations here

Citations

  1. [S464] Birth Certificate of Alfred Herbert Roby ( 1873 ), Source Element: R3-2897
  2. [S5531] Birth Certificate Alfred Herbert Roby
  3. [S5947] Medals - Alfred Herbert Roby
  4. [S5933] British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
  5. [S5994] Census 1939 Huyton With Roby, Liverpool 16 RG101 (RG101/4791C/009/27 Letter Code: NVGO)
  6. [S358] Letter from Liverpool Record Office dated 28 July 1989 Interment Orders
    9350 ----
    Feb 22 1895 John Roby 61 Years Watchmaker 72 Leopold Road Purchaser Mrs. Ellen Roby, Widow, same address
    22370 -----
    March 26 1908 Fred Foster Roby 33 Years Barman 11 Jubilee drive
    27932
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    Feb 1 1908 Ellen Roby 72 Years 42 West Derby Street
    69630 -----
    May 26 1955 Alfred Herbert Roby 82 Years 18 Elm Vale, Source Element: R3-2213
  7. [S2] Letter from Liverpool Record Office dated 28 July 1989 Interment Orders

Alfred Roby

M, #68, Deceased, b. 25 August 1906, d. 17 February 1984
ConsanguinityUncle of A J S
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Parents

FatherAlfred Herbert Roby (b. 23 February 1873, d. 23 May 1955)
MotherFrances English (b. 30 January 1875, d. 15 January 1959)

Family: Patricia Mary Leeson (b. 16 March 1915, d. 30 March 1979)

Person ReferencesAlice Lawton c1750 -
Ann Foster c1816 - 1891
Brigid Troy bef 1830
Ellen Burtch
Ellen Woods c 1755 -
Ellena O'Brien 1827 -
George Critchley c1716 - 1756
Hannah Clitheroe c 1782 -
Johannes English 1815 - 1867
Margaret Wellesley c1750 -
Roger Roby
Thomas Mollyneux
Thomas Power
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OccupationAlfred Roby was an Oil Sales Representative.
BiographyUncle Alf was a favourite of mine. He saw me as a "Roby" rather than a "Snelson", most likely because we always got on very well, in fact for some unkown reason, I think he had a soft spot for me. Must have been the nose !

I think at one time, he was working with Lobitos, an American oil company. Later, he retired; I think he might have taken an early shower and was perhaps retrenched. In any case, he opened or bought a sweet shop somewhere in the Wirral - perhaps near Prenton where he lived.

He was a keen golfer and I am sure that he followed rugby union and cricket quite closely. It's a pity he's still not around, because I am sure he would have enjoyed a few digs about the the shabby state of English cricket and rugby, compared to the Australian !

It was Uncle Alf who rang me in New Zealand in 1975, and told me of the death of my father. I am sure that was not an easy thing to do, but I will always remember his words.

He didn't mind a pint or two, and was always good company - I liked him very much, and was very sorry to hear that he died shortly after I saw him in 1981.

He had not been well for some time.
Reference NumberHe had reference number 68.
BirthHe was born on 25 August 1906.
BaptismHe was baptised on 24 October 1906 in Christ Church, Kensington, Liverpool 6.
MarriageHe married Patricia Mary Leeson on 26 July 1941 in the local parish church, Ovendon, Halifax.
ResidenceIn 1947 Alfred Roby lived in 4a Beech Mount, Fairfield, Kensington, Liverpool.
ResidenceIn 1951 Alfred Roby lived in Salcombe Drive, Hunts Cross, Liverpool.
His father Alfred Herbert Roby died on 23 May 1955 in 18 Elm Vale, Fairfield, Liverpool, England.
His mother Frances English died on 15 January 1959 in Bowring Park, Liverpool, England.
ResidenceIn 1975 Alfred Roby lived in 18 Cambridge Road, Prenton, Wirral, Cheshire.
His wife Patricia Mary Leeson died on 30 March 1979.
ResidenceIn 1984 Alfred Roby lived at 6 Parkland Court in Arrowe Park, Birkenhead.
DeathHe died on 17 February 1984.
ProbateProbate was granted to the estate of Alfred Roby on 12 April 1984 "not exceeding 40,000 pounds".

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1911Alfred Roby Id #68 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1911 at Fairfield, Liverpool

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1921Alfred Roby Id #68 (Principal) was at home on Census night 19 June 1921 at Liverpool

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census Alfred Roby Id #68 (Principal) was at home on Census night from 1935 to 1936 at Fairfield, Liverpool; Interestingly, Harold Snelson was living a few hundred yards or so away from the Roby family, in 5 Elstree Street from Irene Roby at 18 Elm Vale. We know they both went to St Johns Church and played badminton together. So, almost boy and girl next door.
Witness Role: resident

Original Documents, Source and Citations here

Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby1

F, #69, Deceased, b. 23 February 1873, d. 20 April 1951
ConsanguinityGreat-aunt of A J S
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Parents

FatherJohn Roby (b. about January 1836, d. 19 February 1895)
MotherEllen Edwardson (b. 6 June 1836, d. 28 January 1908)

Family: Samuel Croft Alletson (b. 1869, d. 19 December 1963)

SonAubrey Fancis Alletson (b. June 1896, d. 7 September 1898)
SonWilliam Croft Alletson+ (b. 16 September 1898, d. 29 January 1927)
DaughterGladys Evelyn Alletson (b. 1899, d. 23 April 1989)
DaughterPhyllis Alletson+ (b. 20 September 1899, d. about May 1979)
SonSamuel Arthur Alletson (b. 27 February 1907, d. 1968)
Person ReferencesAlice Lawton c1750 -
Ann Foster c1816 - 1891
Ellen Burtch
Ellen Woods c 1755 -
George Critchley c1716 - 1756
Hannah Clitheroe c 1782 -
Margaret Wellesley c1750 -
Roger Roby
Thomas Mollyneux
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NameAlice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby was also known as Jennie ("possibly Alice Jane") Alletson.
Note
Reference NumberShe had reference number 69.
BirthShe was born on 23 February 1873 in Carr Lane, Knowsley.2,3
ChristeningShe was christened on 16 April 1873 in St. Mary's, Prescot.
MarriageShe married Samuel Croft Alletson on 3 September 1893 in St John the Divine, Fairfield, Liverpool, Banns were read on August 20, August 27 and on September 3rd 1893.
Her father John Roby died on 19 February 1895 in 72 Leopold Road, Liverpool, England.
Her son Aubrey Fancis Alletson was born in June 1896.
Her son Aubrey Fancis Alletson died on 7 September 1898 in Derby, England.
Her son William Croft Alletson was born on 16 September 1898 in Derby, England.
Her daughter Gladys Evelyn Alletson was born in 1899 in Derby, England.
Her daughter Phyllis Alletson was born on 20 September 1899 in Derby, England.
Her son Samuel Arthur Alletson was born on 27 February 1907 in Derby, England.
Her mother Ellen Edwardson died on 28 January 1908 in 42 West Derby Street, Liverpool, England.
Her son William Croft Alletson died on 29 January 1927.
BurialAlice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby was buried in April 1951 at Plot A37, 49046, Nottingham Road Cemetery, in Chaddesden, Derby Unitary Authority, Derbyshire, England.
DeathShe died on 20 April 1951 in Shardlow, Derbyshire.
Her husband Samuel Croft Alletson died on 19 December 1963 in Shardlow, Debyshire.

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1881Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby Id #69 (Principal) was at home on Census night 3 April 1881 at Prescot, Lancashire

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1891Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby Id #69 (Principal) was at home on Census night 5 April 1891 at Liverpool

Original Documents, Source and Citations here4
Census 1901Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby Id #69 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1901 at St Violets, Derby, Derbyshire; Witness Role: Head of Household

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1911Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby Id #69 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1911 at Derby, England; Witness Role: Head of Household

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1921Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby Id #69 (Principal) was at home on Census night 19 June 1921 at Bradford, Yorkshire (West Riding), England; I am assuming that Mary West Alletson, who is single, is Samuel Croft Alletson's aunt - being his father's sister.

Original Documents, Source and Citations here

Citations

  1. [S465] Birth Certificate of Alice Jane Roby ( 1873 ), Source Element: R3-2899
  2. [S226] St. Catherine's House Indexes
  3. [S5532] Alice Jane Roby's Birth Certificate
  4. [S5993] Census 1891 West Derby, Liverpool RG12

Samuel Croft Alletson

M, #70, Deceased, b. 1869, d. 19 December 1963
ConsanguinityPartner of Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby (great-aunt of A J S)
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Family: Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby (b. 23 February 1873, d. 20 April 1951)

SonAubrey Fancis Alletson (b. June 1896, d. 7 September 1898)
SonWilliam Croft Alletson+ (b. 16 September 1898, d. 29 January 1927)
DaughterGladys Evelyn Alletson (b. 1899, d. 23 April 1989)
DaughterPhyllis Alletson+ (b. 20 September 1899, d. about May 1979)
SonSamuel Arthur Alletson (b. 27 February 1907, d. 1968)
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Reference NumberSamuel Croft Alletson had reference number 70.
BirthHe was born in 1869.
BaptismHe was baptised on 29 August 1869 in St George, Everton, Liverpool.
MarriageHe married Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby on 3 September 1893 in St John the Divine, Fairfield, Liverpool, Banns were read on August 20, August 27 and on September 3rd 1893.
His son Aubrey Fancis Alletson was born in June 1896.
His son Aubrey Fancis Alletson died on 7 September 1898 in Derby, England.
His son William Croft Alletson was born on 16 September 1898 in Derby, England.
His daughter Gladys Evelyn Alletson was born in 1899 in Derby, England.
His daughter Phyllis Alletson was born on 20 September 1899 in Derby, England.
OccupationIn 1901 Samuel Croft Alletson was a railway clerk in Derby.
His son Samuel Arthur Alletson was born on 27 February 1907 in Derby, England.
OccupationIn 1921 Samuel Croft Alletson was Building Surveyors Clerk for the Midland Railway. in Boar Lane, Leeds.
His son William Croft Alletson died on 29 January 1927.
His wife Alice Jane ("Jennie") sometimes "Janey" Roby died on 20 April 1951 in Shardlow, Derbyshire.
BurialSamuel Croft Alletson was buried in December 1963 at Plot A37, 49046, in Nottingham Road Cemetery.
DeathHe died on 19 December 1963 in Shardlow, Debyshire.

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1871Samuel Croft Alletson Id #70 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1871 at Liscard, Wallasey, Cheshire, England

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Census 1881Samuel Croft Alletson Id #70 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1881 at Liscard, Wallasey, Cheshire, England

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Census 1901Samuel Croft Alletson Id #70 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1901 at St Violets, Derby, Derbyshire; Witness Role: Head of Household

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Census 1911Samuel Croft Alletson Id #70 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1911 at Derby, England; Witness Role: Head of Household

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Census 1921Samuel Croft Alletson Id #70 (Principal) was at home on Census night 19 June 1921 at Bradford, Yorkshire (West Riding), England; I am assuming that Mary West Alletson, who is single, is Samuel Croft Alletson's aunt - being his father's sister.

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Evelyn Beatrice Roby

F, #71, Deceased, b. 1846
ConsanguinityGreat-aunt of A J S
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Parents

FatherJohn Roby (b. about January 1836, d. 19 February 1895)
MotherEllen Edwardson (b. 6 June 1836, d. 28 January 1908)

Family: Charles Ernest Hartley (b. about 1879, d. between January 1946 and March 1946)

Person ReferencesAlice Lawton c1750 -
Ann Foster c1816 - 1891
Ellen Burtch
Ellen Woods c 1755 -
George Critchley c1716 - 1756
Hannah Clitheroe c 1782 -
Margaret Wellesley c1750 -
Roger Roby
Thomas Mollyneux
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NameEvelyn Beatrice Roby was also known as Evelyn Beatrice Hartley.
Reference NumberShe had reference number 71.
BirthShe was born in 1846 in Bersham, Denbighshire (or Birkenhead).
BirthShe was born on 30 July 1879 in Prescot.
ChristeningShe was christened on 3 January 1883 in Prescot.
Her father John Roby died on 19 February 1895 in 72 Leopold Road, Liverpool, England.
MarriageShe married Charles Ernest Hartley on 13 November 1907 in Christ Church, Kensington, Liverpool, NB The banns say his father was actually Benjamin Hartley, a commercial traveller. Charles says he is working as a clerk. The marriage was witnessed by William Roby.
Her mother Ellen Edwardson died on 28 January 1908 in 42 West Derby Street, Liverpool, England.
BiographyCharles and Evelyn made at least 4 separate voyages to West Africa and back to Liverpool between 1922 and 1930.
ResidenceIn 1945 Evelyn Beatrice Roby lived in 29 Millersdale Road, Mossley Hill, Wavertree, Liverpool.
Her husband Charles Ernest Hartley died between January 1946 and March 1946 in North Liverpool.
BiographyCharles Ernest Hartley and Evelyn Beatrice Roby have proved to be a difficult couple to chase. It seems that Charles worked for Elder Dempster and did quite a lot of travelling, sometimes taking Evelyn with him. I can find no trace of any children nor where they retired to.

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1881Evelyn Beatrice Roby Id #71 (Principal) was at home on Census night 3 April 1881 at Prescot, Lancashire

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Census 1891Evelyn Beatrice Roby Id #71 (Principal) was at home on Census night 5 April 1891 at Liverpool

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Census 1901Evelyn Beatrice Roby Id #71 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1901 at Liverpool

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Census 1911Evelyn Beatrice Roby Id #71 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1911 at Toxteth Park, Liverpool; Witness Role: daughter-in-law

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Citations

  1. [S5993] Census 1891 West Derby, Liverpool RG12

William Roby

M, #72, Deceased, b. 20 September 1868, d. 2 April 1911
ConsanguinityGreat-uncle of A J S
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Parents

FatherJohn Roby (b. about January 1836, d. 19 February 1895)
MotherEllen Edwardson (b. 6 June 1836, d. 28 January 1908)

Family: Maud Unknown

Person ReferencesAlice Lawton c1750 -
Ann Foster c1816 - 1891
Ellen Burtch
Ellen Woods c 1755 -
George Critchley c1716 - 1756
Hannah Clitheroe c 1782 -
Margaret Wellesley c1750 -
Roger Roby
Thomas Mollyneux
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Note
Reference NumberWilliam Roby had reference number 72.
BirthHe was born on 20 September 1868 in Prescot, Lancashire, England.
BaptismHe was baptised on 29 November 1868 in Prescot.
His father John Roby died on 19 February 1895 in 72 Leopold Road, Liverpool, England.
OccupationIn 1901 William Roby was a commercial traveller in 281 Upper Parliament Street, West Derby.
WitnessHe witnessed the marriage of Charles Ernest Hartley and Evelyn Beatrice Roby on 13 November 1907 in Christ Church, Kensington, Liverpool.
His mother Ellen Edwardson died on 28 January 1908 in 42 West Derby Street, Liverpool, England.
DeathWilliam Roby died on 2 April 1911 in West Derby, Liverpool, England.

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1871William Roby Id #72 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1871 at Dogkennel House, Prescott

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Census 1871William Roby Id #72 (Principal) was at home on Census night 2 April 1871 at Dogkennel House, Prescot; Witness Role: Son

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Census 1871William Roby Id #72 (Principal) was at home on Census night 2 April 1871 at Dogkennel House, Prescot; Principal Role
Witness Role: Head of Household

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Census 1881William Roby Id #72 (Principal) was at home on Census night 3 April 1881 at Prescot, Lancashire

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Census 1901William Roby Id #72 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1901 at Liverpool

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Census 1911William Roby Id #72 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1911 at Fairfield, Liverpool

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Citations

  1. [S5973] Census 1871 Lancashire John Roby a 35

Maud Unknown

F, #73, Deceased
ConsanguinityPartner of William Roby (great-uncle of A J S)
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Family: William Roby (b. 20 September 1868, d. 2 April 1911)

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NameMaud Unknown was also known as Maud Roby.
Reference NumberShe had reference number 73.
Her partner William Roby died on 2 April 1911 in West Derby, Liverpool, England.

Robin Edward Snelson

M, #75, Deceased, b. 1938, d. 13 December 2000
Consanguinity4th cousin of A J S
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Parents

FatherRobert Woolman Snelson (b. 1909, d. 1976)
MotherFrances Mary Harris (d. 1997)
Person ReferencesAnne Davies c 1919 -
Descendents of William Snelson c.1670
Samuel Fairbrother c1755 - 1823
Sarah Davies 1721 - 1761
Thomas Crooks c1717 - aft 1757
Thomas Edwards c1645 - aft 1690
William Snelston bef 1668 - aft 1707
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AssociatnRobin Edward Snelson; FIA, FIAA, FPMS
Reference NumberHe had reference number 75.
BirthHe was born in 1938.
His father Robert Woolman Snelson died in 1976.
His mother Frances Mary Harris died in 1997.
DeathRobin Edward Snelson died on 13 December 2000.1,2
BurialHe was buried on 20 December 2000 in Epsom.3

Citations

  1. [S5417] Oxfordshire Parish Register - Deddington, Oxfordshire Parish Register - Deddington, Memo: Entry ID: Book
  2. [S5423] Don Knibbs, Don Knibbs FTM File, Memo: Entry ID: Other
  3. [S5449] Daily Telegraph, Item Info: Death Notices