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     Drew de Baalun , of Gloucester was born in 1025 at Gloucester, Gloucestershire, England.

     Geoffrey Sire de Neufmarche was born in 1018 at Neufmarche, Seine-Inferiere, Normandy, France. He was the son of Thurcytel de Neufmarche.

     Ada de Hugleville was born in 1027 at St Valaery-en-Caux, Normandy, France. She was the daughter of Richard de St. Valery , Seigneur de Hugleville and Ada Heiress de Hugleville.

     Thurcytel de Neufmarche was born circa 988 at Neufmarche, Seine-Inferiere, Normandy, France. He was the son of Turchetil de Harcourt , Seigneur de Turqueville and Adeline de Montfort.

     Richard FitzScrob , of Richard's Castle was born in 1030 at Richard's Castle, Ludlow (Shrops), Herefordshire, England. He died in 1067 at Richard's Castle, Ludlow (Shrops), Herefordshire, England.¹
     He MORTIMER of Richard's Castle

The descent of the lordship of Burford, Salop, with Richard's Castle, co.Hereford, as its caput, is traced by Eyton from RICHARD FITZSCRUB, aNorman favourite of Edward the Confessor, who was allowed-by the Godwinparty to remain in England in 1053, and who built and gave his name tothe castle. [Complete Peerage IX:256, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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The following information was from a post-em by Curt Hofemann,curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com:

Richard Scrupe, or Fitz-Scrupe, held various manors in Worcestershire,Herefordshire, and Shropshire in the time of Edward the Confessor, asappears on the authority of Domesday book, at the compilation of which,they were possessed by his son, Osborn Fitz-Richard, or Fitz-Scrop. [Ref:John Burke, The Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, R. Bentley,London, 1834-1838, Vol. III, p. 693, Scrope, of Castle Combe]

Regards,
Curt.

     Gruffudd ap Llewelyn , Prince of Wales was born in 1011 at Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales. He was the son of Llywelyn ap Seisyll , Prince of North Wales and Angharad verch Maredudd. Gruffudd ap Llewelyn , Prince of Wales married Edith (Aldgyth) of Mercia, daughter of Aelfgar III Earl of East Anglia & Mercia and Aelfgifu of the Seven Boroughs, circa 1057.² Gruffudd ap Llewelyn , Prince of Wales died on 5 August 1063; Slain.^1,2
     He King of Gwynedd & Powys (1039), and Deheubarth (1055.)

     Llywelyn ap Seisyll , Prince of North Wales was born in 980 at Rhuddlan, Flintshire, Wales.¹ He married Angharad verch Maredudd circa 994.¹ Llywelyn ap Seisyll , Prince of North Wales died in 1023.¹
     He King of Deheubarth & Gwynedd [Ancestral Roots]. He was Ruled between 980 and 1023.

     Angharad verch Maredudd was born in 982 at Deheubarth, Wales. She married Llywelyn ap Seisyll , Prince of North Wales circa 994.¹ Angharad verch Maredudd married an unknown person after 1023.

     Edith (Aldgyth) of Mercia was born circa 1041 at Saxe, Mercia, England. She was the daughter of Aelfgar III Earl of East Anglia & Mercia and Aelfgifu of the Seven Boroughs. Edith (Aldgyth) of Mercia married Gruffudd ap Llewelyn , Prince of Wales, son of Llywelyn ap Seisyll , Prince of North Wales and Angharad verch Maredudd, circa 1057.¹ Edith (Aldgyth) of Mercia married an unknown person circa 1064.¹ She died after 1086.¹

     Aelfgar III Earl of East Anglia & Mercia was buried at Coventry, Warwickshire, England. He was born circa 1025 at Chester, Cheshire, England. He died after 1062 at Mercia, England.¹
     He Aelfgar, of age 1051, d. shortly after 1062, Earl of East Anglia 1053,Earl of Mercia 1057, banished 1058; m. Aelfgifu, by whom 3 known sons:Eadwine, Morkere, and Burchard, whose issue are unknown, and a daughterAldgyth [as well as Edith or Aldgyth]. [Ancestral Roots, Line 176a-3]

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The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 22 Jun 1999, by Leo van dePas:

The son of Leofric and Godiva :

Alfgar 'the Saxon', Earl of Mercia, died circa 1059/1062 was married toElfgifu, daughter of Sigeferth and Ealdgyth. In 1055, he was forced toseek the protection of Gruffyd in Wales, in that year Gruffyd and Alfgarburned down St.Aethelbert's minster and all the town of Hereford.

In 1058 Alfgar, without having given reason, was outlawed, and went toIreland and Wales where he got himself a great band and then travelled toHereford. After a violent battle Alfgar was reinstated and given back allthat had earlier been taken from him.

Alfgar and Elfgifu are the parents of :

1.Edwin

2.Morcar

3.Ealdgyth of Mercia married (1) circa 1056 Gruffyd ap Llywelyn, King ofDeheubarth 1044-1063, son of Llywelyn ap Seiswill, King of Deheubarth andGwynedd, and Angharad of Wales.

     Aelfgifu of the Seven Boroughs was born before 1016 at Wessex, England.
     She I have made a general shift in dates to accomodate Godiva's (mother ofAelfgar) birth date according to Ancestral Roots and EncyclopediaBritannica.

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The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 23 Jun 1999, by Leo van dePas:

From: Leo van de Pas (leovdpas AT iinet.net.au)
Subject: Re: Lady Godiva
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 1999/06/23

At 12:24 PM 6/23/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Leo van de Pas wrote:
>>
>> The son of Leofric and Godiva :
>>
>> Alfgar 'the Saxon', Earl of Mercia,
>> died circa 1059/1062 was married to
>> Elfgifu, daughter of Sigeferth and
>> Ealdgyth.

>What is the basis for this statement. Assuming I have these names
>right, Ealdgyth would later become wife of Edmund Ironside, and mother
>of the exiled princes. It has been speculated that she was daughter of
>an earlier Ealdorman Morcar, and this would provide onomastic continuity
>with the younger Ealdorman of that name. Still, I know of no source
>that provides any clues either to the parents of Aelfgar's wife, nor
>that Sigeferth had a daughter.

>Oops [in a slightly later post]. I left out a generation. Thehypothesis is that Ealdgyth was
>daughter of Aelfthryth, and maternal granddaughter of Morcar. This is
>given in Moriarty's Plantagenet Ancestry, based on an earlier hypothesis
>(by Richardson?). However, it does not include her having a daughter by
>Sigeferth, or the marriage of that daughter to Aelfgar

>taf [Todd A. Farmerie]

Last year I bought a wonderful book 'The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle'translated and edited by Michael Swanton, there are a few family treesand in this is shown that Aelfgar, Earl of East Anglia 1051-1057, Earl ofMercia 1057 was married to Aelgifu, daughter of Siferth thegn of theSeven Boroughs (killed in 1015) and Ealdgyth (daughter of Aelfthryth) whosecondly married Edmund Ironside, King of England. Aelfthryth (son ofWulfrun) is a brother of Aelfhelm, Ealdorman of Northumbria (killed 1006)who in turn was father of Aelgifu married to Cnut King of England. Thesegenealogical pages are the last of the book before the bibliography. Ihope you have a copy otherwise would you like me to photocopy and post?

Best wishes

Leo van de Pas.

     Dru de Ballon was born circa 1040 at Ballon, Mayenne, Maine/Pays-de-la-Loire, France.

     Jean de Conteville , Vicomte de Comyn died Deceased at Conteville, Eure, Normandy, France. He was born circa 962 at of Tonsburgh & Comyn, Normandy, France. He was the son of Baudouin III of Flanders and Mathilde (Maud) Billung , of Saxony.

     Baudouin IV 'The Bearded' Count of Flanders was born in 977 at Lille, Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France.³ He was the son of Arnold II Count of Flanders and Rosela (Susanna) of Italy. Baudouin IV 'The Bearded' Count of Flanders married Ogive (Otgena) of Luxembourg, daughter of Frederick I Count of Salm & Luxembourg and Irmentrude of Gleiberg, circa 1012 at Flanders, France.⁴ Baudouin IV 'The Bearded' Count of Flanders married an unknown person circa 1031.⁴ He died on 30 May 1036 at Flanders.^4,2

     Arnold II Count of Flanders was born in December 961 at Flanders, France.¹ He was the son of Baudouin III of Flanders and Mathilde (Maud) Billung , of Saxony. Arnold II Count of Flanders married Rosela (Susanna) of Italy circa 968.¹ Arnold II Count of Flanders died on 30 March 987 at Chapel de St Laurent, France, at age 25.¹
     He Turton has Arnulph II as son of Arnulph I (Baldwin III is not in hisdirect descent). AR has Arnold II as son of Baldwin III. I am followingAR.

     Baudouin III of Flanders was born circa 935 at Flanders, France. He married Mathilde (Maud) Billung , of Saxony in 961.² Baudouin III of Flanders died between 1 January 961 and 962; (dvp.)¹
     He The following information (and advice) is contained in a post-em fromCurt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com:

Hie thee to Stewart Baldwin's 'Henry Project' for scholarly research onthis person (& much more):

http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/henry.htm

Baldwin III ruled briefly as joint count with his father Arnulf I, butdied before his father. Count Baldwin's name appears in lists of abbotsof St. Bertin [Monumenta Germaniae Historica, Scriptores series, 13, 391,607], and he would appear to have held that office for a short periodbefore his death. [Ref: Henry Project]

Possible illegitimate son (status uncertain):
Ascelin (Azelin) or Albert de Tronchiennes, bishop of Paris, 1016-1018.
The History of the Bishops of Cambrai states that Ascelin (or Albert, ashe is called in some sources) was an illegitimate son of count Baldwin ofFlanders. [Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium, MGH SS 7, 448]. If this isaccurate, Baldwin III would be the only count of Flanders named Baldwinwho would make a chronologically feasible father for Ascelin. [LéonVanderkindere, La Formation Territoriale des Principautes Belge au MoyenAge (2 vols., 2nd ed., Brussels, 1902, reprinted 1981) 1, 293], listsAscelin as a son of Baldwin, without citing a source, but neither ErichBrandenburg, Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen (Frankfurt, 1964) norKarlFerdinand Werner, 'Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000(1.-8. Generation)', Karl der Große 4 (1967) mention him. His biographyin Dictionnaire de Biographie Française 3, 1238-40 states that he wasvery probably the son of Arnulf I, and then contradicts this statement bycalling Arnulf II a brother of Ascelin. The DBF article makes Ascelin aprovost of the monastery of Saint-Marie in Tronchiennes as early as 951,which, if true, would chronologically rule out Ascelin's affiliation as ason of Baldwin III. However, this date is suspicious, as it is 65 yearsbefore Ascelin became bishop, and the next event mentioned in thebiography is in 995. [Ref: Henry Project]

Falsely attributed daughters:
Bertha (existence doubtful), m. Aymar, count of Genève (existencedoubtful). [P. Anselme, Histoire Genealogique et Chronologique de laMaison Royale de France... (1726), 2, 715. She has also been falselyattached to Baldwin's father Arnulf I.]

Jeanne, mother of Wolbodo, bishop of Liège. [Léon Vanderkindere, LaFormation Territoriale des Principautes Belge au Moyen Age (2 vols., 2nded., Brussels, 1902, reprinted 1981), 1, 293, citing Meyer, RerumFlandr., 67, with a remark that the attribution is in error] [Ref: HenryProject]

Regards,
Curt.

     Rosela (Susanna) of Italy was born circa 962 at Italy.¹ She married Arnold II Count of Flanders, son of Baudouin III of Flanders and Mathilde (Maud) Billung , of Saxony, circa 968.¹ Rosela (Susanna) of Italy married Robert II 'The Pious' King of France, son of Hugh Capet King of France and Adelaide of Poitou, before 1 April 988.¹ Rosela (Susanna) of Italy died between 26 January 1002 and 1003.^1,2

     Mathilde (Maud) Billung , of Saxony was born circa 942 at Saxony, Germany. She married Baudouin III of Flanders in 961.⁴ Mathilde (Maud) Billung , of Saxony married Godfrey de Verdun , Marquis Antwerp in 963.⁴ Mathilde (Maud) Billung , of Saxony died on 25 May 1008.^1,3,4
     She Turton has Maud as 2nd wife of Arnulph I of Flanders and mother ofArnulph II. AR & others have her as mother of Arnulph II, but as wife ofBaldwin III (not Arunlph I) as her 1st husband. Baldwin III died beforehis father and was not Count, he must have been overlooked by Turton &other early researchers.

     Ogive (Otgena) of Luxembourg was born circa 988 at Luxemburg. She was the daughter of Frederick I Count of Salm & Luxembourg and Irmentrude of Gleiberg. Ogive (Otgena) of Luxembourg married Baudouin IV 'The Bearded' Count of Flanders, son of Arnold II Count of Flanders and Rosela (Susanna) of Italy, circa 1012 at Flanders, France.¹ Ogive (Otgena) of Luxembourg died between 21 February 1029 and 1030 at Flanders.¹

     Frederick I Count of Salm & Luxembourg was born circa 965 at Moselgau, France.¹ He married Irmentrude of Gleiberg before 995.¹ Frederick I Count of Salm & Luxembourg died on 6 October 1019 at Chateau de Salm, Luxembourg.¹
     He Frederick I of Luxembourg, b. c 965, d. 1019, Count of Salm andLuxembourg; m. before 995, Irmentrude of Gleiberg, daughter of Herbert I,d. 992, Count in the Kinziggau, Count of Gleiberg, by his wife Irmentrude(Herbert I was son of Udo, Count in the Wetterau, by his wife a daughterof Herbert I, Count of Vermandois. [Ancestral Roots]

     Irmentrude of Gleiberg was born circa 970 at Gleiberg, Hesse, Germany. She married Frederick I Count of Salm & Luxembourg before 995.¹
     Irmentrude of Gleiberg Irmentrude of Gleiberg, daughter of Herbert I, d. 992, Count in theKinziggau, Count of Gleiberg, by his wife Irmentrude (Herbert I was sonof Udo, Count in the Wetterau, by his wife a daughter of Herbert I, Countof Vermandois). [Ancestral Roots]

Note: Turton has Ermentrude (no last name) as daughter of Mengasus, d.1001, by Gerberge, daughter of Godfrey (no last names). Mengasus &Gerberge look to be her maternal grandparetns. I am following AR above.

     Robert II 'The Pious' King of France was buried at St Denis Abbey, Ile-de-France, France. He was born on 27 March 972 at Orleans, Loiret, Orleanais/Centre, France.² He was the son of Hugh Capet King of France and Adelaide of Poitou. Robert II 'The Pious' King of France married Rosela (Susanna) of Italy before 1 April 988.² Robert II 'The Pious' King of France married an unknown person in 995.² He married Constance of Provence, daughter of William II Count of Arles & Provence and Adelaide (BlancheAdele) d' Anjou, before 1002.² Robert II 'The Pious' King of France died on 20 July 1031 at Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France, at age 59.^1,2,4
     He was Ruled between 996 and 1031.

     Hugh Capet King of France was buried at St Denis Abbey, Ile-de-France, France. He was born between January 940 and 941 at Paris, Seine, Ile-de-France, France.¹ He was the son of Hugh Magnus , Count of Paris Duke of France and Hedwige of Saxony. Hugh Capet King of France married Adelaide of Poitou in July 968.¹ Hugh Capet King of France died on 14 October 996 at Les Juifs, Chartres, France.^2,3
     He was Ruled between 987 and 996.

     Adelaide of Poitou was born circa 945 at Poitiers, Vienne, Poitou, France.¹ She married Hugh Capet King of France, son of Hugh Magnus , Count of Paris Duke of France and Hedwige of Saxony, in July 968.¹ Adelaide of Poitou died circa 1004.^1,3

     Constance of Provence was buried at St Denis Abbey, Ile-de-France, France. She was born circa 986 at Toulouse, Haute-Garonne, Midi-Pyrenees, France.² She was the daughter of William II Count of Arles & Provence and Adelaide (BlancheAdele) d' Anjou. Constance of Provence married Robert II 'The Pious' King of France, son of Hugh Capet King of France and Adelaide of Poitou, before 1002.² Constance of Provence died on 25 July 1032 at Meulan, Yvelines, Ile-de-France, France.²

     Jaroslaus I 'The Wise' Grand Duke of Kiev was born circa 976 at Kiev, Ukraine. He was the son of St Vladimir I 'The Great' Duke of Kiev and Regneide (Rogneda) of Polotsk. Jaroslaus I 'The Wise' Grand Duke of Kiev married Ingegard Olafsdottir, daughter of Olaf III Eriksson King of Sweden and Astrid of Obotrites, in 1019.¹ Jaroslaus I 'The Wise' Grand Duke of Kiev died between 20 February 1053 and 1054 at Kiev, Ukraine.¹

     St Vladimir I 'The Great' Duke of Kiev was buried at Church of the Ti, Kiev, Ukraine. He married Regneide (Rogneda) of Polotsk. St Vladimir I 'The Great' Duke of Kiev was born circa 955 at Kiev, Ukraine. He married an unknown person circa 988 at Kherson, Kiev, Ukraine. He married an unknown person after 1011.¹ He died on 15 July 1015 at Berestovo, Kiev, Ukraine.¹
     He Sources: RC 143, 321, 361; Clarkson; A. Roots 241. 243; AF; Kraentzler
1162, 1170, 1171, 1172, 1233, 1603; Timetables of History; Through theAges.

Roots: St. Vladimir, Grand Prince of Kiev. Died 15 July 1015. Marriedafter 1011, a daughter (died 14 Aug 1014) of Kuno, Count of Ohinigen, byRichilde, dau. of Otto I, the Great. Married also Rogneide, dau. ofRognald of Polotzk.

RC: 'The Great' of Kiev, Ukraine, Russia. Grand prince of Novgorod andKiev. Baptized a Christian, 988.

K: Wladimir I le Grand et le Saint. Grand Duke of Novogorod, Kiew.
'Le Grand et le Saint.' Grand Prince of Kiev or Grand Duke of Kiev andNovgorod. Ruled 980-1015. '980. St.Vladimir becomes Prince of Kiev.'

Clarkson:
Vladimir succeeded his father through the process of fratricidal wars inwhich his brothers were slain. 'He installed himself at Kiev (977),whence, by savage campaigns, he collected wives and tribute from most ofthe Dnieper Basin. Vladimir's chief fame rests on his forced conversionof the Russian Slavs to Christianity...During his reign, Kiev wasrepeatedly harassed by the Pechenegs; to hold them off, Vladimir built asort of fortified line of new towns along the steppe frontier. At hisdeath (1015) he left seven sons--of four or five different mothers--eachruling as prince in a portion of the Russian land; one of them, Yaroslavof Novgorod, was in open rebvellion, having refused to pay tribute to hisfather. Sviatopolk, who seized Kiev, promptly murdered three of hisbrothers, but was defeated in a four-year struggle by Yaroslav, whosucceeded to the title of grand prince. Yaroslav, however, was forced toshare the territory with another brother, Mstislav, who took theopportunity to move his residence from outlying Tmutorakan, beyond theSea of Azov, to Chernigov, near Kiev. Not until Mstislav's death (1036)did Yaroslav 'the Wise' venture to remove his seat from Novgorod to Kiev.'

'Vladimir...who had won the throne of Kiev by the murder of his olderbrother, was the last major European ruler to abandon paganism.' Heinvited envoys from the Khazars (Jews), the Volga Bulgars (Muslims), Romeand Greece to 'sell' their religious beliefs. But 'Vladimir and hissimple warriors (were) unable to make up their minds in this war ofwords.' Therefore, they visited the temples of the Bulgars, the Romansand the Greeks, not bothering with a visit to the Khazars. They found themosques unclean and western Catholic worship tolerable, but they wereentralled with the spendor and beauty of the Greek places of worship.Hence, they embraced the Greek Orthodox religion.

Vladimir was promised the hand of Anne, sister of the Byzantine emperor,in return for military aid and, despite some foot dragging by the emperorafter the aid was provided, married the lady in 988. 'In 990 Vladimirreturned to Kieve with his imperial bride and a retinue of priests.Throughout his dominions the population was compulsorily baptizedwholesale...'

RC says he had many pagan wives and concubines of whom these are known:(1) Adlaga; (2) Olava; (3) Malfrida, a Bohemian, d. 1002; (5) a Greek,widow of his brother, Teropolk; (6) N.N.(27-36), a Bulgarian; md (7) 989,Anna, daughter of the Eastern Emperor, the Basilius Romanos, d. 10011;(8) N.N. (321-33), daughter of Kuno, Count of Ohningen. K. calls thelatter Rogneda de Oehningen. One AF record says born about 962.

According to my records, St. Vladimir had three daughters withVladimirovna as name or part of name--all via different wives. Maybe hejust liked the name. Maybe there are errors in the records.

     Regneide (Rogneda) of Polotsk married St Vladimir I 'The Great' Duke of Kiev. Regneide (Rogneda) of Polotsk was born circa 958 at Polotsk, Byelorussia. She died in 1000; (as a nun named Anastasia.)⁴
     She The following post to SGM, 18 Feb 2003, by Igor Sklar, in reponse to thequestion of who Iaroslav/Jaroslaus The Wise's mother was gives herancestry:

From: Igor Sklar (sklar2002 AT yandex.ru)
Subject: Re: Iaroslav the wise
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-02-18 10:31:36 PST

'jl' wrote in message news:...
> Plz someone can tell me who his mother was.
>
> Anna of Macedonia or Rogneda
>
> thanks
>
> jl

Yaroslav's mother was Rogneda of Polotsk. I don't understand how it couldbe, conditioned that Vladimir took Rogneda by force in 980, whilstYaroslav was born about 978 (he was 76 when he died). However the case,Yaroslav was the eldest biological son of Vladimir.

Rogneda is not a Slavic name. Her father was Ragnvald of West Gotland,then of Polotsk (killed 970), the brother of Truggvi Olafson of Norway(died 965) and the illegitimate son of Olaf Haraldson of Norway (died934). As you may see, Yaroslav was a great grandson of Harald I Fairhair(died 931), the first Yngling king of Norway. This explains why in Norsesagas Vladimir is called a kinsman of Norse King Olaf Traggvison (who wasbrought up in Kiev) more than once.

Some folks are in pains to establish their line of descent fromMacedonian Emperors of Byzantium. They assume that Yaroslav was born in988 and his mother was Anna of Byzantium. But it's nothing more thantheir fantasy.

Respects, Igor

Note: Even though there is some doubt about the above ancestry, I amadopting it. There is much doubt about all of the early Scandinavianancestry, depending as it does not 11th century writers (ie. Snorri &Nestor), and sagas. It is best to categorize the ancestries as legendaryor historical, where the latter have verifiable evidence backing them up,while the 'legendary' depend on the sagas, etc. This ancestry islegendary. Another variation is that it was Rogneda's mother (Ragnvald'swife) Ingelborge who was daughter of Olaf, instead of Ragnvald being son.

     Ingegard Olafsdottir was born in 1001 at Uppsala, Sweden. She was the daughter of Olaf III Eriksson King of Sweden and Astrid of Obotrites. Ingegard Olafsdottir married Jaroslaus I 'The Wise' Grand Duke of Kiev, son of St Vladimir I 'The Great' Duke of Kiev and Regneide (Rogneda) of Polotsk, in 1019.¹ Ingegard Olafsdottir died between 10 February 1049 and 1050 at Kiev, Ukraine.¹

     Olaf III Eriksson King of Sweden was born circa 969 at Sweden.¹ He married Astrid of Obotrites circa 999 at of Uppsala, Sweden. Olaf III Eriksson King of Sweden died circa 1022.^2,1